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Snowden - We managed to survive greater threats in our history … than a few disorganized terrorist groups and rogue states without resorting to these sorts of programs. It is not that I do not value intelligence, but that I oppose … omniscient, automatic, mass surveillance …. That seems to me a greater threat to the institutions of free society than missed intelligence reports, and unworthy of the costs.

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I really don't know how I feel about these guys. The patriot in me says we should hang him, but the libertarian says this information should be available.

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This guy is a complete and utter retard. He hasn't gotten any smarter in all his years in the business. Now, he's a traitor who deserves a traitor's punishment. What he's done has done more damage to our government's covert operations than any tinfoil conspiracy theory ever could. All for what? Absolutely nothing at all. All he's done is make our intelligence agencies fall 5 steps behind every other government in the world. And every other government is doing EXACTLY the same thing to it's citizens.

Is it an invasion of privacy? Yes.

Can you stop it? No. It's considered secret for a reason.

Does it affect the day-to-day lives of every American? No.

This is one of those cases where you really ought to move along, cause there's nothing to see here.

Also, he's woefully unprepared to protect his data that he's stolen since his laptops are NOT hardened terminals. I could, with the right materials and an engineer from one of our intelligence agencies, monitor his laptop's data, screen, communications and all in an unencrypted state from 3 rooms away. The data he possesses is as good as open to the first taker. A hood to protect from hidden cameras? This isn't a James Bond show, numbnuts.

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The domestic phone call data collecting only tracked numbers and length of call. No personal information was associated with those numbers until they had statistical evidence that led them to believe that a particular number could be terror related, then they would go to the FISA court the get a warrant to find out what person used that phone number. The domestic phone call data mining was a separate program then that of the PRISM program that collected internet communication and transaction data. And the PRISM program actually DID take a FISA approval.

Several of his claims don't make sense with the way intelligence agencies operate. And now in the past couple days we've heard from his employer that he was making $120k annually, not the $200k he was claiming, but he only was employed for 3 months. How could he have possibly had access to this info as a new contract employee?

Here's what I'm starting to think. I think Snowden is the front guy for someone else. I think someone else deeper in the agency leaked the info to Snowden. There are some detailed presentation documents that I really don't see Snowden having access to. I've work for government contractors and I've seen first hand the layers of bureaucracy in a government institution. I don't think Snowden is the original leak.

And another thing that is driving me crazy, they keep accusing James Clapper of committing perjury in front of Congress when he said that there was no domestic mass surveillance program. Yes he lied to Congress, but he is bound by his obligation to not disclose state secrets. If he had admitted to the data mining program then he would have been doing the exact same thing that Eric Snowden has done. James Clapper should have never been put in the position of publicly answering to Congress.

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Except Bradley Manning was a private in the US Army - huge difference

Well yeah.... I was referring to Manning's low rank as why he shouldn't be accessing sensitive information.

Rank has nothing to do with access, nor does time at job sight. Once you are cleared, you're good to access the information you need to do your job.

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Eh. I'm still amazed as to how a network security specialist thinks hiding from hidden cameras keeps your stuff safe. I wonder if he's ever been briefed or brought up to date on data acquistion that doesn't utilize a hardwired connection...

Surely at some point in his job he had to wonder what made a network "hardened".

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He should get a flight on Air force One with full military honors from Moscow to NYC. Then be given a ticker tape parade down 5th ave, address a joint session of congress after which he receives the highest congressional and presidential civilian medals, and have a 50 foot statue dedicated to him on the Mall next to the Washington Monument. He's an American hero, a defender of the constitution and a patriot who has made great personal and professional sacrifice for his country and countrymen.

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